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Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:14:00 -
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Something must be done about these. Just lost a python to a rail tank that went allllllll the way back into his redline much farther than I could chase. My gunner and I almost go him too before he started running back into his red like a *****.
My proposal is that no vehicle should be able to shoot from the friendly redline, tanks, dropships lavs, none of them. |
Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.12.03 02:20:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:How dare a long range attack vehicle, obviously designed to only kill other vehicles at range kill a vehicle at range!!! Why are you talking about range? The thread is about a section of the playable zone where players can shoot out of across the map yet few if any can return fire. Rail Tanks are not vulnerable to a reasonable tactical response due to the red line. The people they can kill are vulnerable yet struggle to respond. This is the imbalance. I have to risk my dropship to act. as do all but redline players. It is simply not fair.
This is exactly the problem, well put judge. I don't have a problem with rails killing me at range, so long as its a fair fight and I can actually engadge them. Otherwise its just bs |
Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.12.03 07:37:00 -
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Karl Marx II wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:Something must be done about these. Just lost a python to a rail tank that went allllllll the way back into his redline much farther than I could chase. My gunner and I almost go him too before he started running back into his red like a *****.
My proposal is that no vehicle should be able to shoot from the friendly redline, tanks, dropships lavs, none of them. I'm not a tanker but I have to ask .. whats the difference between a Tank retreating to the redline and a dropship flying so high up in the sky that they can't be hit ????
Dropships flying high up does not make them completely safe, where as the redline completely protects from any form of engadgement except orbitals.
A rail tank can use a slight incline (or any mountain in the redline) to elevate their turret enough to hit dropships at the flight ceiling.
Another dropship can engadge them if they fly higher. Point is a dropship threat can still be engaged if they use height to their advantage, a rail tank deep in the red line is untouchable yet still remains a threat.
Also dropships that fly high and out of danger it can't aim down and blanket the ground with missiles. If a dropship retreats that high it is no longer a threat to the battlefield, and can still be engadged. |
Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.12.03 07:46:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:Something must be done about these. Just lost a python to a rail tank that went allllllll the way back into his redline much farther than I could chase. My gunner and I almost go him too before he started running back into his red like a *****.
My proposal is that no vehicle should be able to shoot from the friendly redline, tanks, dropships lavs, none of them. what>? Wait till Swarms Get the Range/Damage nerf and then with the everlasting Tanker QQ , even Forge guns might get a Range Nerf. THEN WHO WILL STOP RED LINE RAIL TANKS?Yeah, guess you are not seeing the big picture about AV nerfing... heh..
Swarms were bull and you know it. RLRT have been problems since chromosome, I don't think av has been or will be the solution to it.
I don't believe any vehicle should be able to engage enemies from the redline, especialy when they can one shot infantry and two shot vehicles. It should be about risk/reward. No risk, no reward. simple as that. |
Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.12.03 07:47:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Numnutz, you on Dust right now? I have something to show you.
Also, redlining is for cowards.
Not currently but I'll be on tomorrow |
Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.12.03 08:06:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:
That's like someone asking for a ceiling limit of 140 m so that dropships cannot escape from swarm launchers of any variant.
Do You agree to this height change? If not say goodbye to your hypocritical proposal.
Also, can infantry hide inside of buildings to get away from tanks? Yes? Why can't tanks use the redline to get away from infantry? Suddenly unfair to you? Also hypocrisy. :/
That's like complaining that a sniper can shoot you from further away than your AR can reach, then throwing a fit about it.
I'm not saying that tanks cannot go into the redline, I'm simply saying they cannot fire their gun when in the redline.
Yes infantry can hide in buildings, like how tanks can hide behind buildings and mountains or in the redline. Again not saying they cannot enter the redline, I'm saying they should not be able to engage from the redline. Can a tank still kill a player in a building? Yes.
If a sniper shoots at an ar player and he complains a sniper has more range than his assault rifle than he is an idiot. An intelligent ar player would find his position, find a route to close the distance and reengage the sniper on better terms preferably within his range where his weapon has the advantage.
Now let's take that same situation but apply it to the topic at hand.
The intelligent assault rifle player is hit by a powerful sniper and takes cover. He manages to locate the sniper. However the sniper is located on a mountain in the redline and even if he managed to close the distance without getting two shotted he will not be able to get close enough to engage with his assault rifle due to the redline. So the sniper is safe with no risk of any player (except another sniper) being able to kill him.
This leaves the afore mentioned assault rifle player a few options, try to run into the redline and engage the sniper which will cost him his suit, run cover to cover and pray he doesn't get a hit, run out and die, or call another sniper for help.
To make it abundantly clear, this is what I'm griping about. No vehicle should be able to engage from the redline with no risk, which is currently only rail tanks.
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Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.12.03 08:28:00 -
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